CBC now listed as Government Funded Media (2.Viewing)

You're getting your news & views partly from right-wing memes.
Just because someone is “right wing” or “left wing” doesn’t make an article or video true. I like to get my views from BOTH sides of the spectacle.

I was using my post from above as imbalance between the 2. In that scenario, one was true and the other was “half truth”. So my question is, why not tell the WHOLE truth? Instead of making the Freedom convoy protestors seem like animals?
 
It’s funny you shared an article from Rachel Gilmore. She has since been fired from Global. What was she fired for? Misinformation?

First, do you actually understand how news sites & newspapers operate? The article writer usually doesn't write the headline. That's done by editors.


Also, I see that Rachel Gilmore still seems to be at Global, as their TikTok host.

And from LinkedIn, I see her role from 2020 to March 2023 was "National Online Journalist - Politics". The convoy protest was in Feb 2022, so she was still in that role for over a year after that.

You're just dishonestly twisting stuff, the way right-wingers unfortunately tend to these days.


Where was my “criticism”?

You literally complained about the CBC headline and article. I showed you proof that other news media, like CTV and Global had similar headlines and articles.

Like I said, your criticism was invalid.



The articles were accurate. They were protesters, and them tearing down the fence led to other protesters urinating on the War Memorial... which was basically inevitable, considering the various types of people who were there. And that's obviously why the fences were up in the first place.
 
Healthy debate... this is what's missing these days! Anyone who is all Right or all Left must broaden their sources of information. If you always fall on the same side of the debate, you are not living in the "real" World.

I have good friends who moved away from Canada last year to escape what they called "the Dictatorship" of JT. They loved Fox News!!!

I can't stand JT - but PP is even worse.

If you like what you see South of the Border, PP is your guy, as he is following the Republican roadmap.

I have kids and I prefer they live in a Canada that takes Climate Change seriously, a Canada that let's hunters hunt, (without an AR or AK), and where those of us who are privileged do our part to "help" the downtrodden. Canada managed this balance "fairly" well for the past Century, but Divisive Politics and Social Media (fake news on Facebook, Twitter, etc) have created a divide where Non-Partisan advances are impossible because no Party/Leader wants to admit the "other guy" has a good idea.

I have voted both Conservative and Liberal through the years, based on both Policy and Quality of the Leaders... we need new leadership across the board

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First, do you actually understand how news sites & newspapers operate? The article writer usually doesn't write the headline. That's done by editors.
I didn’t realize that this was a thread to TRY and insults one’s intelligence. I could have went down that road with you but I’m clearly a bigger man than you are to do that.
 
Just because someone is “right wing” or “left wing” doesn’t make an article or video true. I like to get my views from BOTH sides of the spectacle.

I was using my post from above as imbalance between the 2. In that scenario, one was true and the other was “half truth”. So my question is, why not tell the WHOLE truth? Instead of making the Freedom convoy protestors seem like animals?

My point is that right-wing organizations operate media machines, to indoctrinate people into their views. Like this:
Explainer: The rise of Canada’s right-wing meme pages
The 'excessively violent' election ad, paid for by the Manning Centre - Macleans.ca

They build entire strategies for that, and it is unfortunately working.

And they have a lot of money at their disposal, partly because they get so much money oil companies.


They use simplistic memes that might sound good at first glance, but are actually misleading. But they influence people, because a lot of people don't even read/watch the news much the days, so they don't really know the actual facts, and they get tricked.


Anyway, the main issue is that you complained about how the CBC framed the story. I showed you that other media like CTV and Global framed it exactly the same way. So your example was invalid that way.


And it sounded like you suggested that Gilmore was fired for "misinformation" over that story. But like I said, articles are a group effort, with others writing the headlines. And she was still in that role for over a year further. And she apparently still works for Global.

Anyway, what you said about the CBC is incorrect.
 
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The point is that right-wing organizations operate media machines, to indoctrinate people into their views. Like this:
Explainer: The rise of Canada’s right-wing meme pages
The 'excessively violent' election ad, paid for by the Manning Centre - Macleans.ca
But who is to say that YOU’RE not the one being indoctrinated?

We all have free will and a free mindset to think for ourselves. Which is why I like to look at BOTH sides of the fence.

I believe both LEFT and RIGHT are guilty of pushing a certain thing…. Like this hit piece from The Toronto Star:


Can you imagine if it was the other way around?
 
But who is to say that YOU’RE not the one being indoctrinated?

I've been reading the Globe and Mail for decades. They're a centre-right media organization, and as I showed above, their owner even meddled in election endorsements (in order to support the Conservatives).

Also, there's a big right-wing meme machine partly just because of oil companies, and their ties to Alberta, and the Conservative Party base being there.


There's no equivalent on that scale in Canada for centrist or left-wing views, because they don't have the funding for it. Even some right-wing meme pages you see that seem to be "grassroots" by random people are actually funded by conservative organizations.

There's a reason right-wingers today in the US and Canada are different than 25+ years ago... it's because social media is spreading disinformation, and memes are part of that.
 
There's a reason right-wingers today in the US and Canada are different than 25+ years ago... it's because social media is spreading disinformation, and memes are part of that.
Why don’t you post a couple of examples of misinformation that could have fooled most of here? I say that because most of us here know real information from disinformation and we are smart enough to know the difference…. I would think.

A lot of things are labeled as “misinformation” now but who is to say what is and what isn’t? Who decides? CBC?

A lot of memes that you’re probably referring to is just that…. A meme….. And most know the difference from fiction and actual reality.
 
Some of the examples I had in mind was about race/indigenous/identity related stories but I didn't want to go down that road only to start another very complicated debate, but then I found this article about a CBC journalist that quit. She explains things rather eloquently: Speaking Freely

It's not like the liberals haven't had their fair share of scandals over the years either. And while we're speaking of funding leftist agendas, I can't believe we haven't even addressed all the scandals going on in the liberal party right now as if they don't exist or aren't happening... like the Canadian billionaires being best buds with JT, and Beijing funding JT and the libs.

There's a new level of mistrust in our government even though it's been on the rise for quite some time, and that has probably helped spill over onto CBC's shoes even though people have been making the same accusations for decades.
 
Some of the examples I had in mind was about race/indigenous/identity related stories but I didn't want to go down that road only to start another very complicated debate, but then I found this article about a CBC journalist that quit. She explains things rather eloquently: Speaking Freely

From one of their own employees


Those of us on the inside know just how swiftly — and how dramatically — the politics of the public broadcaster have shifted.

It used to be that I was the one furthest to the left in any newsroom, occasionally causing strain in story meetings with my views on issues like the housing crisis. I am now easily the most conservative, frequently sparking tension by questioning identity politics. This happened in the span of about 18 months. My own politics did not change.

To work at the CBC in the current climate is to embrace cognitive dissonance and to abandon journalistic integrity.


Does anything more even need to be said?
 
Esdiel, yeah, I remember seeing her article. Some of that stuff is why I said my views don't fit any one party.

But even when watching CTV News Network, I see ads for "Canada's Next Drag Race", which is just a little weird to see when watching the news with family.

Anyway, that type of stuff isn't really part of CBC's core news. It's just stuff you'll see in some minor section of their web site. They don't show it on TV news, and they're not the featured stories on the web site.

When it comes to economic and political reporting, CBC is very centrist and fair.

It's not like the liberals haven't had their fair share of scandals over the years either. And while we're speaking of funding leftist agendas, I can't believe we haven't even addressed all the scandals going on in the liberal party right now as if they don't exist or aren't happening... like the Canadian billionaires being best buds with JT, and Beijing funding JT and the libs.

There's a new level of mistrust in our government even though it's been on the rise for quite some time, and that has probably helped spill over onto CBC's shoes even though people have been making the same accusations for decades.

Well, now this is actually misinformation.

Beijing is not "funding JT". Do y'all actually know what the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation (i.e. not Justin) actually does? I didn't know about them until they were in the news, but they basically just give out scholarships.

And it turns out that Justin Trudeau hasn't even been involved with it since 2014, after he became Liberal leader.

"The foundation helps fund and promote academic and public interest research. It awards up to 20 doctoral scholarships each year and finances up to five research fellowships. It also supports a network of "mentors" to help young academics and organizes public events, such as book launches and lectures on public policy issues."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/what-is-the-trudeau-foundation-1.6811429

It's not some piggybank for Justin Trudeau, but the way right-wing media talks about it, plenty of random people probably think it is Justin's own foundation.


And if we want to talk about foreign election interference, The National Post being owned by right-wing Americans is an obvious example. And US oil billionaires have been interfering for years:
Fraser Institute co-founder confirms 'years and years' of U.S. oil billionaires' funding
...The Fraser Institute is the main right-wing economic policy institute in Canada, and has a ton of influence... apparently partly funded by Americans.


Also, the vigilante leaker who spread the hysterics about "foreign interference" even said himself that China's attempts were unsuccessful and didn't change anything in the last election.

I'm more anti-China than most people, but this controversy was just BS, spun by the Conservatives to score political points.
 
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Why don’t you post a couple of examples of misinformation that could have fooled most of here? I say that because most of us here know real information from disinformation and we are smart enough to know the difference…. I would think.

A lot of things are labeled as “misinformation” now but who is to say what is and what isn’t? Who decides? CBC?

A lot of memes that you’re probably referring to is just that…. A meme….. And most know the difference from fiction and actual reality.

Here's one example:
Canada Proud’s Claim That The Government ‘Banned’ Remembrance Day Ceremonies is Very Clearly False

That meme picture at the link was just objectively a lie.

When people get a constant diet of this stuff through Facebook and other social media, it does have an effect.



Also, Canada Proud is the main meme group whose name I couldn't remember earlier... it's founded by a Conservative strategist, and apparently has a huge influence:
Conservative Party-Linked Facebook Page, Canada Proud, a Major Source of Climate Disinformation

I'm sure a lot of stuff that starts there also spreads onto Twitter, WhatsApp, and in people's views that also spread.


And Canada Proud spreading climate change misinformation and being against the carbon tax+rebate isn't surprising, considering how they get a lot of funding from oil companies.
 
This thread has really gained some life.

I like to come to DN.ca to talk domains and get away from things like politics, which I get enough of on other social media.

All I'll say is that Trudeau is the worst PM by far Canada has had in my lifetime, but probably ever, and the mainstream media including the CBC is obviously highly leftist biased in their political coverage if you're paying even remote attention to it, give me the National Post coverage any day, at least they challenge the government view. Eventually I hope enough Canadians will wake up and realize it. My prediction is the Trudeau Liberals will end in disaster and self implode themselves through scandal, corruption, and ineptitude.
 
"It’s hard not to feel disappointed in your government when every day there is a new scandal." I agree, applies today more than ever.

"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his pledge to balance the federal books in four years is cast in stone." Dec 2015, so don't blame covid, they never even got close.

“The 2015 election will be the last federal election using first-past-the-post.” Electoral reform, another broken promise.

"Trudeau called out for missing 'crystal clear' business case for LNG exports." No business case for LNG? When Europe is starving for cheap energy?

"Trans Mountain pipeline construction costs balloon again — this time to $30.9 Billion". We bought a pipeline.

I can go on all day with this Liberal ineptitude, but at this point it just makes sense to sit back and let the Liberals self-destruct themselves so not going to spend anymore time on it. Should just add their green and so-called climate agenda is only making Canadians poorer and worse off, to think that taxing a tiny % of the world population for so called carbon use is actually going to have an impact on global emmissions?
 
"It’s hard not to feel disappointed in your government when every day there is a new scandal." I agree, applies today more than ever.

I see that Trudeau said that about the Conservatives in 2013.

All the "scandals" about the Liberals since 2015 have basically been trumped-up BS or nothingburgers, or optics issues that have no effect on governing.


One ironic thing is that a few weeks before Jody Wilson-Raybould was let go as Justice Minister, the Conservatives and NDP were both saying she should be fired.

And she frankly should have been let go far earlier. Some guy was languishing in jail because some paperwork was sitting on her desk for months ( "A tale of enormous suffering" - Halifax Examiner ). And that was the root issue of the SNC Lavalin controversy -- she never bothered to send a memo to the PM's office or Clerk of the Privy Council, to explain what she had decided.

Then when she was let go, she turned into a BS controversy because she lost her "dream job", by complaining about how she was repeatedly asked about the issue... duh yeah, because you didn't simply send a memo to formally state your decision.

"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his pledge to balance the federal books in four years is cast in stone." Dec 2015, so don't blame covid, they never even got close.

Yeah, he shouldn't have said that, because it's hard to predict the future.

But Trump ripping-up NAFTA was a problem.

Anyway, the Liberals and Democrats are factually just better at managing the economy than the Conservatives and Republicans.


Canada’s fiscal hawks in a predictable lather over Liberal deficit spending

"Canada still has the lowest debt-to-GDP and deficit-to-GDP ratio in the G7, and both figures are now on the decline in the wake of the COVID pandemic. As University of British Columbia economist Kevin Milligan tweeted, this “is a good indication that there will not be a need for tax increases to afford future public debt payments. In other words, 'fiscal crisis' lol no.”

And as Milligan noted, the cost of servicing Canada’s debt is likely to settle in around 1.5 to 1.6 per cent of GDP, which is lower than almost any point since the 1960s and only marginally higher than historical lows. “Again, for anyone looking for signs of an incipient fiscal crisis....uh, no.”"

“The 2015 election will be the last federal election using first-past-the-post.” Electoral reform, another broken promise.

This is one of those things that tricks people who don't follow the issue. I didn't know the details until a few years ago, because I wasn't paying attention to it, since it was just theoretical.

The issue was that the parties couldn't agree on what change to make. The NDP wants proportional representation, and that sounded good to me at first, but when you look into it, you find out that in other countries, what happens is that the parties get split into a lot of small parties... including crackpot parties.

And then election campaigns lose some meaning, because you don't know what you're voting for. The parties can run on a platform, but they can't implement it, because they have to give concessions to the parties in order to govern.

I think Ranked Ballot would be a good compromise, but that would probably help the Liberal Party, since they're in between the Conservatives and NDP... so if the Liberals did implement that, other parties would just say that they rigged the election.

Even if the Liberals and NDP agreed on a change, then the Conservatives would say it was rigged.

The Cons have polluted the political discourse.



"Trudeau called out for missing 'crystal clear' business case for LNG exports." No business case for LNG? When Europe is starving for cheap energy?

I only vaguely remembered this issue, but just Googling this brings up some answers:
why lng from canada is impractical - Google Suche

Mainly this:
Why Canadian Liquefied Natural Gas Is Not the Answer for the European Union’s Short-Term Energy Needs

  • "Due to climate commitments and energy security concerns, Europe is accelerating its plans to reduce gas use by ramping up energy efficiency and the use of renewable energy sources. While there may be demand for some fossil fuels, markets like Norway are more logical to fill immediate needs.
  • This results in a fundamental mismatch with Canadian supply opportunities. Canada cannot ramp up supply before 2025, while Europe’s energy needs will largely be resolved by that time."
So subsidizing infrastructure for LNG exports would be a waste of taxpayer money.

"Trans Mountain pipeline construction costs balloon again — this time to $30.9 Billion". We bought a pipeline.

Yeah, they shouldn't have bought it. That's still better than what the Conservatives would have done on it.

I can go on all day with this Liberal ineptitude, but at this point it just makes sense to sit back and let the Liberals self-destruct themselves so not going to spend anymore time on it. Should just add their green and so-called climate agenda is only making Canadians poorer and worse off, to think that taxing a tiny % of the world population for so called carbon use is actually going to have an impact on global emmissions?

A lot of the things people criticize the federal Liberals for are actually under the jurisdiction of the provincial or municipal governments.

For example, until a couple of years ago, real estate prices were stagnant or even declining in some areas, like Atlantic Canada. So a Canada-wide foreign buyer's ban would have been too heavy-handed, and would have made it harder to recruit people to rural areas (like doctors). Individual provinces should have done that.

But the Libs have at least implemented a foreign buyer ban after the provinces didn't act.

Also, the EU is even more progressive than Canada to fight climate change. And in the US, they recently made a lot of investments on that too. Steps need to be taken to fight climate change.



And this certainly isn't ineptitude:

- They lifted over a million people out of poverty by 2020:
Fact check: Did a Liberal tax cut help reduce poverty rates?

- They cut income taxes

- They cut federal small business taxes from 11% to 9%. For a lot of us, that's quite a bit.

- Canada's unemployment is at a record low

- $10/day daycare

- They dealt with Trump and his erratic behaviour, and renegotiated a new NAFTA


And that's just a small number of things. No government is perfect. But due to consumption of twisted right-wing media, your view is as if it's the worst-run government in the world.

Also, are you at least 31 years old? You mentioned worst PM in your lifetime, which is quite obviously not true:

  • Brian Mulroney accepted cash in envelopes from a lobbyist, and even tried to steal the furniture from the PM's residence, lol
  • And this was Harper:
Stephen Harper and the Theo-cons | The Walrus

Like I said, right-wing talking points about economic and political issues can generally be ripped apart with the truth.
 
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This is a better article regarding Harper:
Is Harper the worst prime minister in history?
He's not the worst, but he's up there.



Also, this article below matches some frustrations I've had even when watching the CBC:
Pierre Poilievre is wrong—CBC’s real bias benefits Conservatives ⋆ The Breach

"This right-wing strategy, deployed over many decades in Canada, has been enormously successful in tilting CBC’s coverage.

Media scholar Robert McChesney likens the approach to basketball coaches who “work” the refs. The goal is to bark in their faces so relentlessly that they eventually start ruling your way. "
 
Woah, way too much to read here, and I hate politics to begin with. I'm a firm believer that both the left and the right are far from reality. What we need is a common-sense party that forges a path down the middle. This is true both in the U.S. and here in Canada.

But CBC can easily be biased without being instructed to be biased. Simple practices of hiring like-minded people leads to both left and right wing organizations. Plant the right seeds and voila! You now have a very biased yet "independent" organization like the CBC. It a positive feedback loop.

And all non-CBC media should hate CBC media because you're competing with a gov't funded entity. That's messed up, no?
 

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