CIRA Contact form prefill, is it possible? (2.Viewing)

MapleDots · Jun 18, 2021

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When pricing a domain one can link directly to the CIRA form if one does not want to disclose their email address.
https://www.cira.ca/ca-domains/contact-a-domain-holder

This can also cut down on unwanted email spam so using the cira form is pretty nice.

However, It would be really nice to make a link to the cira form with the website domain preloaded.

For most forms you just look for the field name and do this:
cira.ca/ca-domains/contact-a-domain-holder/?domain=cnb.ca

Cira uses drupal so this method does not work, anyone got any ideas with this?

FM · Jun 18, 2021

Have you tried using a POST instead of a GET call?

MapleDots · Jun 18, 2021

I have tried every combination I can think of

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MapleDots · Jun 18, 2021

This is the part of the code that matters

Text Box:

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So the field name is domain

Now how to figure out if drupal has a similar url structure that can be used

rlm · Jun 19, 2021

Well its all a function of their coding behind the scenes. They have to purposely process the GET or POST looking for those variables - they don't just automatically fill them in as default values in the forms unless they specifically code it to do that. That often happens when there's a form with many fields, and if they detect that one submitted field is bad (missing/format problems/etc), then they actually _want_ to prefill all those fields in so that the user doesn't have to retype every field back in just to correct one bad field. However, in this case the form is just one field, so they would have had no reason to program it that way. So I'm pretty sure that no matter how much experimenting you try, it isn't going to work.

I think probably the only solution is to ask CIRA to add that very trivial functionality. They already provide the form, this allows domain owners to link to the form, preventing any typos and adding convenience. I don't think there's any good reason they would have to reject this idea. It doesn't really change any functionality, it just improves it with a bit of added convenience. The code is trivial, the programmer could do it in no more than a few minutes.

MapleDots · Jun 19, 2021

Not sure you have to program it in, on most forms you can use the field name and apply the ?fieldname=anything.ca

rlm look at this as an example...

Code before

Text Box:

<tr valign="top">
        <td><label for="domain">Domain:</label></td>
        <td><input type="text" name="domain" value="" id="domain" size="30" /></td>
    </tr>

Code after prefill

Text Box:

<tr valign="top">
        <td><label for="domain">Domain:</label></td>
        <td><input type="text" name="domain" value="red.ca" id="domain" size="30" /></td>
    </tr>

You simply use the field name and voila

bonfire.ca/contact-us/?domain=red.ca

Now I know you will say you purposely coded that in but that is standard html and you can do it with most any form site except it must be different in drupal, which is what they used for the cira website.

So maybe in drupal they use a different structure to prefill a field.

rlm · Jun 19, 2021

MapleDots said:
Not sure you have to program it in, on most forms you can use the field name and apply the ?fieldname=anything.ca

...

Now I know you will say you purposely coded that in but that is standard html and you can do it with most any form site except it must be different in drupal, which is what they used for the cira website.

So maybe in drupal they use a different structure to prefill a field.

Yes, it definitely has to be programmed in, that's a very basic security feature. Variables passed in via GET or POST don't just magically became available, that would be a security nightmare.

And yes, I did program that in, as does everyone else. Some systems like drupal or whatever may have code built in to make it easier to process those variables and put them back into a form, but it would never ever be automatic. At best case scenario, the programmer would define _which_ variables are allowed to be passed in. And even then, the code has to decide what to do with that information (like use it to pre-populate the form, or something else).

For example, try pre-populating any other fields in that contact-form:

http://www.bonfire.ca/contact-us/?domain=bonfire.ca&name=frank&email=frank@dn.ca&comments=blahblah

rlm · Jun 19, 2021

If you're going to try and find a loophole, you should try posting it so that you advance to the next page.

Also note that there's another flaw to this whole idea. The domain has to be private in whois for that form to work. CIRA will not forward messages to domains that are not private - they tell you to just lookup the whois and email the owner yourself.

MapleDots · Jun 19, 2021

I understand all that but it would be sweet, we set our domain on private and provide the link and it prefills.

i.e.

cira.ca/ca-domains/contact-a-domain-holder/?domain=mydomain.ca

FM · Jun 21, 2021

MapleDots said:
I understand all that but it would be sweet, we set our domain on private and provide the link and it prefills.

Have you suggested this to CIRA via their support?

MapleDots · Sep 2, 2021

So it looks like richard.schreier from cira has given me a solution to this...

richard.schreier said:
Couple of recent changes that you may or may not be aware of.

For whois, use:

cira.ca/ca-domains/whois?domain=cira.ca

(put your own domain name in place of cira.ca) which will allow you to go direct to whois results.

For the Message Delivery Form (MDF) which allows people to contact a registrant without having to get the registrants email address, use:

cira.ca/ca-domains/contact-a-domain-holder?domain=cira.ca

which will pre-populate the MDF form with the domain name. This may be useful if you have parked pages and you want to allow people to contact you without revealing your email address, just put a "Contact" button on your page and link as above.

Hope that helps.

Richard

That post is located here:
dn.ca/topic/the-new-cira-site-redesign.861/#post-8734

Esdiel · Sep 2, 2021

Sorry for going a little off-topic here... but I just noticed CIRA's domain (i.e. cira.ca) has 2050-02-05 as its expiry date! Not fair! lol

MapleDots · Nov 16, 2022

mapledots.ca/inquiry?domain=red.ca

cira.ca/ca-domains/contact-a-domain-holder?domain=red.ca

I have this set up very similar for my contact form as the CIRA form.

I notice

@rlm does too

bonfire.ca/contact-us/?domain=acquire.ca

I just wish CIRA would also offer a simpler shortcut like this

cira.ca/inquiry?domain=red.ca

or

cira.ca/contact?domain=red.ca

I remembered this topic when

@MacMan brought up the subject of just forwarding their domain over to the cira contact form instead of an aftermarket marketplace.

rlm · Nov 16, 2022

This also works:
Bonfire Development, Inc. - Contact

MapleDots · May 27, 2023

MapleDots said:
I understand all that but it would be sweet, we set our domain on private and provide the link and it prefills.

i.e.

cira.ca/ca-domains/contact-a-domain-holder/?domain=mydomain.ca

I see the owner of diet.ca is using the cira form

Too bad he does not know about the prefill

Here is a comparison...

Without prefill: diet.ca

With prefill: diet.ca

CIRA Contact form prefill, is it possible? (2.Viewing)

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rlm

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FM

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