TBR Musings - July 28, 2021 (1.Viewing)

Eby said:
Hmmmm *WALL*

I would question that.
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So you prefer to not know and just assume everything is on the up and up?

Do you think everything is on the up and up at MyID?


I like having an id number like at godaddy, once I figured out which ones were Huge Domains id's it helped me make the right decisions.
 
FM said:
As you might know, we're working on bringing TBR to WHC.
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So does that mean both Siber and WHC will be taking bids, or that Siber's TBR system will be totally absorbed by WHC? If it's the former, with both Siber and WHC are competing against each other, I don't even know how the logistics would work.


Also, on the subject of Bidder IDs, there is no possible solution to this perceived issue. If you use Static IDs, then every creeper Tom, Dick and Harry will be actively tracking everyone's every move, which would be a privacy nightmare.

And if you use Randomly-Generated IDs each week, that has zero transparency, as they could be anyone or anything.

I would prefer you guys (and gals) at WHC try to get the TBR system running at tip-top shape, as I have the feeling this is where a lot of the problems are coming from. If you get the bugs, delays, errors, and other problems ironed out, I bet a lot of the complaints just fade away.
 
Eby said:
I would question that.
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Me too, and I don't want online creepers following me around because some TBR registrar enforced static IDs. My God, what kind of Orwellian scenario are people envisioning here?

And I really don't think WHC/Siber has any issues outside of the noted technical flaws in their current TBR system implementation. Concentrate on fixing those.
 
I don’t think it’s too much to ask to have designated bidder numbers for every auction. It isn’t identifying you. It’s not a privacy issue. It’s a simple fact of knowing there are 10 people in an auction and who’s actually bidding and how much. We have been functioning without bidder ID’s for decades so will I not participate if it doesn’t happen? No.

Now taking it one step further and having bidder aliases or bidder ID’s isn’t going to stop me from bidding. It hasn’t stopped anyone in the past either.

The truth is the fact that WHC is willing to make this change is a big deal. I would like to see this change come from CIRA. Everyone is doing whatever the hell they want when it comes to TBR.
 
DomainRecap said:
Me too, and I don't want online creepers following me around because some TBR registrar enforced static IDs. My God, what kind of Orwellian scenario are people envisioning here?
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It's a tried and true method at godaddy, nobody knows who you are they just know they are bidding against a user number.

Eventually some bidder numbers like Huge Domains get recognized because of the sheer volume they do.

Also if I bid on mysweetmama.ca and bidder 2986 wins then I know I lost against that person.
Next time I bid I may go higher if I am up against you again.

If you advertise that you just landed the sweet domain mysweetmama.ca then I know you are bidder 2986 but other than that it is pretty anonymous.

Personally I think everyone bidding in TBR should have to register in some way to stop fake bidding and to make the system more transparent.
 
But it's not anonymous at all, and the number of serious TBR bidders is pretty small. Comparing our .CA numbers to GoDaddy's is insane. Many TBR participants also run businesses, so tracking their activity would be so simple even a monkey could do it.

Even theinvestor admitted having a complete list of bidder identities at Pool, and that's not a very heartwarming thought for anyone remotely interested in privacy.
 
MapleDots said:
So you prefer to not know and just assume everything is on the up and up?
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I wasn't saying that. I wouldn't like my Account name to be exposed in a way, people can hold that against you eternally.

I have participated in Pool.com auctions and we were all assigned an alias and we were fine with it. I would like a similar system - if one is to be implemented.

But as I said earlier, with @FM there, I wouldn't even need that. I am fine just like it is now, as long as he is there.
 
Eby said:
But as I said earlier, with @FM there, I wouldn't even need that. I am fine just like it is now, as long as he is there.
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Exactly, and "Static Bidder IDs" doesn't solve anything anyway, especially with the most obvious transgressors, who would just give a pile of IDs to their crop of "retired European grannies" that seem to bid so high and so often on their TBR auctions.

The only people it would hurt would be honest bidders who don't want their entire TBR history shown to the world. And the only people it would help are those who are interested in tracking said bidder data to make their bidding strategy easier and gain a potential edge.

And all the scammers would just keep scamming.
 
Eby said:
I have participated in Pool.com auctions and we were all assigned an alias and we were fine with it. I would like a similar system - if one is to be implemented.
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That is exactly what I am proposing, a system similar to godaddy, a simple numbered id, everyone gets one at godaddy auction when bidding and nothing is wrong with that.
 
MapleDots said:
That is exactly what I am proposing, a system similar to godaddy, a simple numbered id, everyone gets one at godaddy auction when bidding and nothing is wrong with that.
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For you maybe, but not everyone wants to be actively tracked by a pack of online psychos.

Like I said before, theinvestor openly stated he had a comprehensive list of POOL Bidder IDs and who they were, and you actually think that there is "no problem" with this?

My God, it would take me about 10 minutes to figure out everyone's bidder ID (other than the potentially fake ones) and that's a clearly a privacy issue. GoDaddy gets around this due to sheer numbers, which are clearly not a mitigating factor with the TBR. Our numbers are TINY and easily figured out.
 
Sorry to break it to you [notify]DomainRecap[/notify] there is nothing wrong with using data available online.

CIRA openly provides that information with a simple CDRP or legal letter. So much for privacy. There is none online.
 
So what did we do in the pool days? It was obviously not a huge privacy issue.

Privacy is non existent today, you think you have it but you don't

I will put transparency over privacy at an auction. Seriously there are enough entities participating in TBR and we are basically taking everyone's word on the fact there is another REAL bidder. Without some kind of tracking the whole system leaves itself open to manipulation.
 
MapleDots said:
That is exactly what I am proposing, a system similar to godaddy, a simple numbered id, everyone gets one at godaddy auction when bidding and nothing is wrong with that.
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Does anybody know if GoDaddy uses the same ID for the same bidder for each auction?

Ebay has another interesting way - the user ID made unrecognizable by starts. They've been doing this for a long time.

For me personally, privacy is a big topic. The fact that we can assume that we don't have any (or not much) is for me a big driving factor in putting an emphasis on privacy and try to make it a conscious decision when I give it up. For me whois should have never been public to start with for example.

Again - that's me personally, not on behalf of WHC or anything. I also like to look at data, though ;-)

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MapleDots said:
I will put transparency over privacy at an auction.
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Well I won't and a lot of other people won't.

Honestly, if WHC openly displayed a Static Bidding ID for the world to see and track, I would have to think about (shudder) moving to MyID.

Plus, if a company is theoretically scamming on the TBR, are you really so incredibly naïve to think that Bidding IDs is going to create transparency? A fake Bidder ID will win it, but like today, it will be privacy protected and the domain will not resolve. And there will be a lot of those "untrackable IDs", some of which will be privacy junkies and others not.

That's about as transparent as stone.
 
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MapleDots said:
Privacy is non existent today, you think you have it but you don't
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Okay prove it.

List every single TBR domain I bought this week, just like anyone could easily perform using your proposed system of Trackable Static Bidder IDs.

Ready, set, go!
 
FM said:
Does anybody know if GoDaddy uses the same ID for the same bidder for each auction?

Ebay has another interesting way - the user ID made unrecognizable by starts. They've been doing this for a long time.

For me personally, privacy is a big topic. The fact that we can assume that we don't have any (or not much) is for me a big driving factor in putting an emphasis on privacy and try to make it a conscious decision when I give it up. For me whois should have never been public to start with for example.

Again - that's me personally, not on behalf of WHC or anything. I also like to look at data, though ;-)

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If I recall, Baremetal shows the user ID during the TBR buying part. When you're bidding internally on how much you want it (up to 200). You just see initials and numbers, whatever the userID is.

Not sure about the actual auction part.
 
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Groot said:
If I recall, Baremetal shows the user ID during the TBR buying part.
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But isn't it a new random Bidder ID each week? When I bid against someone all I see is a set of gibberish upper and lower-vase letters, which is not the User ID from your account.

Even so, that's not what Maple is talking about, as it wouldn't allow consistent tracking of everyone's bids, linkage to auctions based on WHOIS data or marketplace listings, and easy verification of exactly who is bidding or winning.
 
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Not sure. I guess I always see mine, and the others will change from domain to domain, but it's always the same format (2 letters, 2 numbers). I just assumed it was other baremetal users, and not gibberish :D

Exactly who is bidding, yeah I don't see that flying any time soon... Would be nice if it can confirm it's an actual person, rather than a registrar poaching the hell out of everything though.
 
Really? Are you sure you're looking in the right place, as I see my own ID, but for others I see gibberish like this:

1O3Zg
fZJ6Q
Uvn5A
1O3Zg
LdGrg

And it seems to change each week.

If you are seeing valid Customer IDs in the bidding record, then there is definitely something wrong.
 
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