Vaccine Mandate (2.Viewing)

I have a question for members and my intention is not to pit vaccinated against not vaccinated, this question is more about privacy and identification theft.


If you get into trouble with the police what are the same two questions they always ask?

1. Your full name

2. Your Birth Date


The reason they ask that is so they can verify your name to your birthdate and not duplicate another person with the same name. We are taught to NEVER release our full name and birth date to the general public because they are the key pieces needed to start identification theft.


Yet....

In Ontario, we are supposed to show vaccination proof along with a government form of picture ID that shows our birth date. That generally means Drivers License or Health Card.

OMG, does anyone else realize the privacy implications of this?

Am I alone in saying I will NEVER do that, I will avoid restaurants and gyms forever before I ever bow down to that draconian policy.


So taking the whole vaccination point out of the conversation, this is a massive privacy breach.

As of September 22, 2021, Ontarians will need to be fully vaccinated (two doses plus 14 days) and provide their proof of vaccination along with photo ID to access certain public settings and facilities. This approach focuses on higher-risk indoor public settings where face coverings cannot always be worn and includes:

Restaurants and bars (excluding outdoor patios, as well as delivery and takeout);
Nightclubs (including outdoor areas of the establishment);
Meeting and event spaces, such as banquet halls and conference/convention centres;
Facilities used for sports and fitness activities and personal fitness training, such as gyms, fitness and recreational facilities with the exception of youth recreational sport;
Sporting events;
Casinos, bingo halls and gaming establishments;
Concerts, music festivals, theatres and cinemas;
Strip clubs, bathhouses and sex clubs;
Racing venues (e.g., horse racing).

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This whole vaccine passport is a mess in general. It’s actually illegal here in Ontario for anyone other than your Doctor to ask you your medical history unless you consent or course. So I’m not sure how a server at a Chuck’s Roadhouse (great steaks btw) can ask you for your vaccine passport.

If someone is vaccinated or not, I personally don’t care but some would have to agree that maybe this isn’t about a virus anymore.

Well, for me, I just show it and have a great meal.

aactive said:

Well, for me, I just show it and have a great meal.

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If you look at the opening post, it is not about the passport, it is the fact you have to show Ontario Photo ID which contains your birth date. So you go into chinese chicken store and the next week you have identity fraud. They had your credit card that you paid with and all your information from your drivers license. It's an ideal way to start scamming people and with mini hidden cameras everywhere it would be extremely easy to do.

So lets just say you give that information out 2-3 times per day. Odds are eventually you will be the victim of identity theft.

Agreed, one should avoid giving out that information when possible. Twitter, as an example, doesn't enable "Tips" unless you've input your birth date! Instead of having a box that says "I'm over 18", they want your actual birth date (which they never actually check against any documents, either).

If/when they eventually get hacked, that info would be out there....

I’m not sure how many of you have actually have been required to show it but I don’t really think the 15 year old at McDonald’s or any other restaurant really cares or even looks long enough at your vaccine receipt and your drivers license. The system is a joke anyway. It’s very easily forged but my guess is those who are so against it don’t care about their privacy.