Should the fraudster Naveed Yusuf topic be Public or Hushed (1.Viewing)

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MapleDots @MapleDots Please explain to me why the thread about Naveed Yusuf and the scams he has perpetrated against domain owners some of whom are members here has been buried in the HUSHED TOPICS section of this website! The fraudsters who seek to harm innocent victims need to be vilified not protected! The fact that the complaints against Yusuf are buried serves no real purpose other than to protect him and his scamming ways! What’s the point of protecting this fraud! His antics should be broadcast far and wide so as to protect others from what has happened to me and to several other members here! If you are concerned about the backlash more than protecting your members feel free to close my membership! I’m not interested in being a part of anything that would condone his kind of behaviour or protect perpetrators of the kind of fraud he has committed!
If you are not willing to take a stand against it - yer for it!
 

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It's a very good point, we are actually not protecting the scammer, we are more concerned about the industry as a whole and the reputation of domaining. If stories like these start to perpetuate across the internet it will affect the resale value of domains and all domainers will be affected by a general consensus.

Domaining already gets a bad rap and it's for this reason a lot of the general public will not buy directly from domainers forcing us into 25% GoDaddy commission territory to gain retail trust.

You can always point people to the topic. If the community thinks I should move this to the main part of the board I am open to it, but we move most topics that could harm a business, or the domaining industry, to Hushed because our intention with the site is to promote domainers and businesses and not to harm them.

In this case DOMAINING is the business and I'm not sure if spreading one guys antics would do more harm than good to the industry as a whole.

Feel free to discuss, I am always open to change if members think I made an error in the decision.
 
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I mean we as a community,

Let's wait for some feedback and decide what to do when more people chime in. I will honour the opinion of our community.

Like I said, I am open to the idea and feedback is important.

So far we have a Yes from you for public and a No from me for Hushed.

Let's see where this goes and then decide.
 
This is the worst takes I’ve heard from you Frank The news is the news! If you want to filter it through rose coloured glasses that is your prerogative! This is your forum and I respect that! Having said that the idea of burying the bad news because it may affect profits isn’t something I want to be associated with! The best way to move forward is through honesty! Bad enough that the fraudster is a member here - the fact that you want to insulate him is enough for me to know that I am probably no longer a good fit here! Just so you know Yusuf will soon be served with a number of lawsuits one of which will involve other members of this forum - there will be no avoiding this! Anyways this obviously isn’t the right venue to discuss the matter so I will refrain from making any further comments here
 
Domain trader, you don't speak for the whole community so let it play out. My suggestion is to add an anonymous poll.
 
MacMan said:
My suggestion is to add an anonymous poll.
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Done, I have added that

I have made it so you can change your vote (if you change your mind) as the topic develops.

I will honour the opinions of the community after a get a clear outcome.

A poll is how we can let members decide the outcome of community decision instead of having them reflective of an admin or moderator, so please chime in, the results are anonymous for each member that participates, even admins cannot see who voted for what.
 
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Kind of a mute point because you have to login to read past 6 posts anyways.
 
DomainTrader said:
Just so you know Yusuf will soon be served with a number of lawsuits
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That's how you handle it without airing the laundry in full view of the public. Hushed is read by most members, it naturally attracts the eye, so its doubtful members aren't aware of his dirty deeds. I'm voting to keep it where it is.
 
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I am going to reveal why I moved this topic to Hushed

There was a Direct Message between bmetal @bmetal and another member (I don't know who) must have reposted that somewhere and then a screenshot of that was posted on Twitter.

It was at that time I decided to move this too Hushed because I was not sure if bmetal gave permission for his direct message to be published.
It was obviously the other person in the direct message who took the screenshot.
 
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MapleDots said:
It's a very good point, we are actually not protecting the scammer, we are more concerned about the industry as a whole and the reputation of domaining. If stories like these start to perpetuate across the internet it will affect the resale value of domains and all domainers will be affected by a general consensus.

Domaining already gets a bad rap and it's for this reason a lot of the general public will not buy directly from domainers forcing us into 25% GoDaddy commission territory to gain retail trust.
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I don't really know anything about this particular case, but disagree with the premise that reporting scammers damages the field.

If anything, weeding out scammers would help the field and other domain investors.

The crypto field is still popular, despite the number of scammers in that field outnumbering scammers in the domain field by several orders of magnitude.

Brad
 
MapleDots said:
There was a Direct Message between @bmetal and another member (I don't know who) must have reposted that somewhere and then a screenshot of that was posted on Twitter.
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I need bmetal, other parties, and the second party in the direct message (I was informed who it was) to ok it for me to make it public.

The member base seems confident it should be Public but we should really get the affected members permission to do so.
 
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DataCube said:
I don't really know anything about this particular case, but disagree with the premise that reporting scammers damages the field.

If anything, weeding out scammers would help the field and other domain investors.

The crypto field is still popular, despite the number of scammers in that field outnumbering scammers in the domain field by several orders of magnitude.

Brad
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I knew I could count on you to take a common sense approach to this! Weeding out the bad guys makes the business better not worse!
 
I’m not that good with technology so I have a question for the forum Admin

If a thread like say this one

https://dn.ca/topic/5711/

were moved to the HUSHED section of this forum specifically to prevent it from being indexed in Google to prevent the general public from becoming aware of or reading it’s contents; would the reposting of the link to the HUSHED thread in another thread in the forum that is in fact being indexed by Google counteract the intended hushing?

Just curious!

A simple yes or no would suffice

Thank you for your assistance in this matter
 
DomainTrader said:
were moved to the HUSHED section of this forum specifically to prevent it from being indexed in Google to prevent the general public from becoming aware of or reading it’s contents; would the reposting of the link to the HUSHED thread in another thread in the forum that is in fact being indexed by Google counteract the intended hushing?
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I think this story is more involved than I had anticipated, and no we do not censor members so you are free to post what you like.

That said the intention of the move was to protect members involved and I will let you in on something....

He tried to scam me personally dozens of times only I did not know it was a scam. I have emails, direct messages, calls to my private number requesting money and that he would transfer ownership of valuable domains to me in exchange to hold. I just got bad vibes so I never dealt but I had no evidence of actual scams. Digging through my messages I see he spent months trying to get money out of me and it got more and more sophisticated but like I said my gut feeling said no so I declined every time and eventually blocked his phone number.

So again, I am not protecting him, I was more thinking of bmetal @bmetal and the party who was involved in the text of the screen shot, I was thinking this is their business because they had not made anything public and they were the victims.

The real dastardly party is Naveed Yusuf, and DN.ca is caught in the middle point having to decide to publish publicly or to protect sensitive information affecting members.
 
PS. Dan DomainTrader @DomainTrader and I are actually good friends and we just chatted it out on the phone where he told me things I did not know and I told him things he did not know. We both agreed this does involve other people as well and we will see how it plays out.

It's obvious from the poll results so far that DAN, and his opinion, is well respected and senior members are starting to chime in.

I think all has been revealed is THIS very public topic so it's a pretty mute point at the moment but I will honour the final results of the poll when it comes time to move the original topic.

That said, I have been asked by some members not to disclose their names, so again things are not as cut and dry as they may seem and I have to find the best middle ground to keep everyone happy.
 
There is nothing and no one to protect
Naveed Yusuf is a liar a con a fraud and thief
You sensed it
I know it
There were no confidences being betrayed in the exchange of evidence that is relevant to the alleged crimes being committed! Bare Metal has not been compromised in any way! His admission that his company has been victimized by Yusuf is pertinent to the allegations that I have been advancing that being that Yusuf is a serial fraudster who should face criminal charges for the damage he has intentionally created - Yusuf is a fraud
 

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