A domain taken by the NEW Epik.com - Developing Story (1 Viewing)

To me it appears Epik is owning up to their error and genuinely trying to help with the delay being godaddy.

I know what the domain is (Dan's a good friend) and it needs to come back to him. Teh domain is running a live site and hosted on godaddy with both Epik and Dan having provided all the details to GoDaddy. The ball is only in one court at this time and it seems like the case is not being elevated at the GoDaddy end.

This is not good PR for GoDaddy and the best solution here would be for GoDaddy to assign it a priority of some kind.

@jamesiles is there anything you can do to elevate this?
I did not see that tweet because Epik blocked me. The truth hurts I guess.

That is Epik's story. What actually happened? Who knows.

Epik should never be trusted after defrauding customers.

There is no way this is an isolated case. If it happened here, I am sure it happened to others.
It's likely many people don't even notice the missing domains.

Again, this entity "Epik LLC" is not even an ICANN accredited registrar. I am not sure what authority they even have on this matter. The accreditation has never actually changed ownership.

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Yup but they are taking full ownership of their mistakes RECENTLY


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Some entity that is not a registrar is taking ownership of their mistakes. It's not all that meaningful.

Again, is this really an isolated incident?

Have they looked into how many other times they might have been socially engineered?

As far as this transfer goes I have no idea on the actual specifics.

Was it a direct transfer from scammer to scammer? Was it sold on some platform? Has it changed hands more than once?

These things can be complex to research and unwind.

Brad
 
I think what likely happened is after the unauthorized transfer, the domain probably changed hands via some legitimate transaction.

I doubt the current owner is the party that actually stole the domain.

This entire thing is Epik's fault.

If the transfer was unauthorized, the domain should be returned to the rightful owner.

Assuming the current owner was not part of the unauthorized transfer, they should be compensated by Epik. It is not right that they should take the loss for Epik's incompetence.

Brad
 
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I think what likely happened is after the unauthorized transfer, the domain probably changed hands via some legitimate transaction.

I doubt the current owner is the party that actually stole the domain.

This entire thing is Epik's fault.

If the transfer was unauthorized, the domain should be returned to the rightful owner.

Assuming the current owner was not part of the unauthorized transfer, they should be compensated by Epik. It is not right that they should take the loss for Epik's incompetence.

Brad
There may have been un unwitting purchased however there is no such thing as a "legitimate" transfer of stolen property
 
There may have been un unwitting purchased however there is no such thing as a "legitimate" transfer of stolen property

If a GoDaddy service (afternic) itself was used to sell the domain name to the NEW UNSUSPECTING owner, you can see the tremendous conflict of interest between a registrar and a reseller. Then combine that with the fact GoDaddy is also selling them web hosting and this entire thing becomes one hell of a clust f**k

It's one of the reasons I will NEVER use fast transfer on any of my valuable domain names. One runs a huge risk with that because if the registrar is doing the selling it leaves very little control in the domain owners hands.

I like that my high value domains are safely nestled at WHC, nobody can touch them without my authorization key.
 
If a GoDaddy service (afternic) itself was used to sell the domain name to the NEW UNSUSPECTING owner, you can see the tremendous conflict of interest between a registrar and a reseller. Then combine that with the fact GoDaddy is also selling them web hosting and this entire thing becomes one hell of a clust f**k

Look at this from GoDaddy's point of view...

1.) The entity Epik LLC is not an actual ICANN accredited registrar. I am not sure why they would have any real standing to deal with GoDaddy.

2.) Epik's reputation is in the toilet, for good reason. Who can trust any word they say?

This is a major problem in dealing with a registrar that defrauded customers and has no credibility left.

Whatever GoDaddy does, they have some legal liability because of Epik's incompetence.

No one can explain how the domain magically left Dan's account without Epik sending any email regarding the AUTH code or transfer request.

I am not so convinced this is actually a case of social engineering. It could just as likely be a case of backdooring domains, like what happened with Patterns.com. In that case the domain was internally transferred by Epik (aka stolen), then they sold it.

Brad
 
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There may have been un unwitting purchased however there is no such thing as a "legitimate" transfer of stolen property
I agree.

It was "legitimate" as far as the buyer goes, but it is still stolen property.

Right now the only party taking a loss is Dan.

Epik, GoDaddy, and the customer are not.

Epik is the party that should be taking any loss.

It is their fault, and they don't seem to be doing all that much to try and fix it.

I can pretty much assure you that Epik is not going to do the "right thing" out of the kindness of their hearts. They are going to need to be compelled to do it.

Brad
 
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I am no GoDaddy defender. I have had many issues with them.

With that being said, I don't really understand the logic here.

Is it surprising that a domain ends up with the largest registrar, by far? Not really.

They have around as many domains at the next 10 most popular registrars combined.

It is not like domains come with some title where you can verify ownership, outside what the WHOIS show.

In both cases these domains were at Epik. That is the common link here.

Epik already made it abundantly clear that this was their screwup.

What have they done to remedy it? Not much that I am aware of.

I wonder how many other Epik domains have been stolen...

I don't expect Epik to do anything to make it right without being compelled to, either via some authority or legal action.

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