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Because of the negative connotation of CyberBully would anyone here spend significant money to purchase a domain with the term cyber in it?

I understand CyberSex will sell for huge money but technically it also has a negative connotation.


I find CyberBully is so entrenched in our society that I would not purchase a domain with that in the name, and I most certainly could not envision myself using it for business.


So I figured I would ask the question and open up some dialogue.



Would you use a domain name with CyberSomething.ca for your business?
 

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and if you're pointing out negative connotations, don't forget about cybersquatting... that one probably hits closer to home for most of us than cyberbullying.
 

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MapleDots said:
Because of the negative connotation of CyberBully would anyone here spend significant money to purchase a domain with the term cyber in it?

I understand CyberSex will sell for huge money but technically it also has a negative connotation.


I find CyberBully is so entrenched in our society that I would not purchase a domain with that in the name, and I most certainly could not envision myself using it for business.


So I figured I would ask the question and open up some dialogue.


Would you use a domain name with CyberSomething.ca for your business?


Maybe CyberTerror / CyberCrime / CyberSecurity along those lines, CyberBullying is a huge issue, It would be good for a blog, outreach, or non-profit. I bought AntiBullying.ca a while back after seeing lots of teens choosing suicide as a result of bullying.
 

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Cybera.ca is an interesting one, with lots of traffic too, but they may have chosen the name in 2007 (according to whois).

Our Purpose

Cybera is Alberta's not-for-profit organization, responsible for driving economic growth through the use of digital technology.

Our core role is to oversee the development and operations of Alberta’s cyberinfrastructure – the advanced system of networks and computers that keep government, educators, not-for-profits, and entrepreneurs at the forefront of technological change.

We work with our members to ensure a connected future for all Albertans.

I also came across this government website: getcybersafe.gc.ca

Generally speaking, I'd say the word cyber is becoming more and more popular/synonymous with cybersecurity but I still don't mind the word for other uses.

It also makes me think of Sibername, which I assume is the equivalent of Cybername?
 

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Makes you wonder why they didn't start with Cybername? Probably because some domainer had it and they didn't want to pony up the money, then bought it years later after it dropped? Might be an interesting story behind that. I guess they decided to go with the misspell, and their main choices would have been Sibername .vs. Cibername?
 

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There must be an interesting story behind it.

I checked archive.org it looks like they've owned Cybername.com for a very long time... at least since year 2000 if you visit this link, but its history goes even further back: https://web.archive.org/web/20001018222106/http://www.cybername.com:80/

Weird thing is it looks like they owned cybername.com even prior to the current registration date (ie 2003), and they appear to have always branded as Sibername, except for maybe around 1998ish since the domain redirects to cybername.net around then. The fine print on these oldest captures also suggests they were previously owned by an Australian company called "Imagion Proprietary".
 
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Interesting, some day I'll have to get the inside scoop. Although - it probably doesn't matter as I'd expect WHC will phase out the Sibername brand in favor of their own - which is understandable.
 

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Hopefully they don’t phase out the Siber TBR functionality they have in hand :mad: :)
 

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jaydub said:
Hopefully they don’t phase out the Siber TBR functionality they have in hand :mad: :)

Absolutely, I understand WHC would likely want to eventually migrate it into their existing platform, but it has to be equal to or preferably better than the existing platform before they force the change. Many people will essentially be new WHC customers and they'll want to make sure that the first WHC experience is a great one. I'll tag [notify]Sally[/notify] - just so they can keep that in mind. My guess is they understand that and are taking their time to do it right. So I don't think they are too eager to force the change, otherwise they would have already done it. So I think its a very good sign they haven't yet.

It may also be possible that they plan to keep the Sibername brand running as a division of WHC. Why only be #1 when you can be #1 and #2 ? Or maybe Sibername becomes the brand focused towards domainers and maybe WHC is the brand focused towards hosting?

There's a few ways to skin the cat. It really depends on their long term vision. Time will tell.
 

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jaydub said:
Hopefully they don’t phase out the Siber TBR functionality they have in hand :mad: :)

I personally think there are some flaws in the partial Siber-to-WHC transition right now.

A few weeks ago I had some orders that were erroneously dated for the week before (none came through even though a few were picked up very late by other registrars), last week I had 2 orders that were dated for April (again, none were won) and this week I saw my min bids won by Siber, but none of my higher bids, with some of my $35-$50 bids get picked up noticeably later by other registrars.

There is definitely a date issue with orders (especially the night after the run and on Wed-Thurs), and I can't help but feel either a) some domains get lost in the shuffle or b) their order loading system is all screwed up. I understand it's never going to be perfect, but when multiple $20 orders are picked up in the 20's and 30's and my $50 order gets grabbed by another registrar in the 60's, you may have a problem.

And if I order multiple domains for a Feb 24 run and they're somehow dated April 4, and stay resident in my account through the next week, you do have a problem.

Right now, I have very little faith in WHC's TBR ordering system and may have to bite the bullet and start using MyID.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Monday

Cyber Monday is a marketing term for e-commerce transactions on the Monday after Thanksgiving in the United States. It was created by retailers to encourage people to shop online. The term was coined by Ellen Davis of the National Retail Federation and Scott Silverman, and made its debut on November 28, 2005, in a Shop.org press release entitled "'Cyber Monday' Quickly Becoming One of the Biggest Online Shopping Days of the Year".[1] Cyber Monday takes place the Monday after Thanksgiving; the date falls between November 26 and December 2, depending on the year.

According to the Shop.org/Bizrate Research 2005 eHoliday Mood Study, "77 percent of online retailers said that their sales increased substantially on the Monday after Thanksgiving, a trend that is driving serious online discounts and promotions on Cyber Monday this year (2005)".

In 2017, Cyber Monday online sales grew to a record of $6.59 billion, compared with $2.98 billion in 2015, and $2.65 billion in 2014. However, the average order value was $128, down slightly from 2014's $160.[2]

Cyber Monday has become the online equivalent to Black Friday and offers a way for smaller retail websites to compete with larger chains.[3] Since its inception, it has become an international marketing term used by online retailers across the world.

The Cyber Monday on November 30, 2020 was the biggest online shopping day in U.S. history with a total of $10.7 billion in online spending.[4]


History

The term "Cyber Monday" was coined by Ellen Davis,[5][6] and was first used within the ecommerce community during the 2005 holiday season.[7] According to Scott Silverman, the head of Shop.org, the term was coined based on 2004 research showing "one of the biggest online shopping days of the year" was the Monday after Thanksgiving (12th-biggest day historically).[8] Retailers also noted the most significant shopping period was December 5 through 15 of the previous year. In late November 2005, The New York Times reported: "The name Cyber Monday grew out of the observation that millions of otherwise productive working Americans, fresh off a Thanksgiving weekend of window shopping, were returning to high-speed Internet connections at work Monday and buying what they liked."[9] At the time, a lot of people had slow Internet at home.[10] The idea for having such a holiday was created by Tony Valado, in 2003 while working at 1800Flowers.com, and coined "White Wednesday" to be the day before Thanksgiving for online retailers.[11]

United States
In 2006, comScore reported that online spending on Cyber Monday jumped 25% to $608 million,[12] 21% to $733 million in 2007,[13] and 15% to $846 million in 2008.[14]

In 2009, comScore reported that online spending increased 5 percent on Cyber Monday to $887 million and that more than half of dollars spent online at US Web sites originated from work computers (52.7 percent), representing a gain of 2.3 percentage points from last year.[15] Buying from home comprised the majority of the remaining share (41.6 percent) while buying from international locations accounted for 5.8 percent. According to comScore chairman Gian Fulgoni, "comScore data have shown that Cyber Monday online sales have always been driven by considerable buying activity from work locations. That pattern hasn't changed. After returning from the long Thanksgiving weekend with a lot of holiday shopping still ahead of them, many consumers tend to continue their holiday shopping from work. Whether to take advantage of the extensive Cyber Monday deals offered by retailers or to buy gifts away from the prying eyes of family members, this day has become an annual ritual for America's online holiday shoppers."[15]

In 2010, comScore reported the first-ever $1 billion online shopping day ($1028M), an increase of 16 percent over 2009.[16] In 2011, comScore reported that Cyber Week saw US consumers spend over $6 billion online from November 28 to December 2.[17] In 2012, comScore reported that Cyber Monday saw a 16% increase in sales from 2011, totaling $1.5 billion.[18] In 2013, Cyber Monday sales continued their growth and recorded their highest grossing day ever at $2.29 billion.[19]

In 2014, the average planned expenditure was $361 per person. 46 percent of people expect to pay with credit cards and 43 percent expect to pay with debit cards.[20] Sales are up 8.1%, according to IBM Digital Analytics. The average order is $131.66, flat with last year, though the number of transactions is up and people are buying more items on average per order.[21]

In 2016, according to Adobe Digital Insights,[22] Cyber Monday hit a new record with $3.45 billion, and which was the first time that online sales in one single day surpassed $3 billion in US history. The numbers went up 12.1% from the previous year.[23]

In 2018, according to Adobe Analytics Cyber Monday hits a record $7.9 billion of online spending which is a 19.3% increase from a year ago.[24]

In 2019, according to Adobe Analytics, Cyber Monday mobile transactions totaled $3.1 billion with total online sales reaching a record $9.4 billion.[25]

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U.S. employers have been cracking down on employees using company equipment and company time for non-work-related purposes, including Cyber Monday. As of November 2011, 22% of employers had fired an employee for using the Internet for non-work related activity; 7% of human resource managers surveyed had fired an employee for holiday shopping; and 54% of employers were blocking employees from accessing certain websites.[28][29] According to CareerBuilder's annual Cyber Monday survey, more than half of workers (53%) say they spend at least some work time holiday shopping on the Internet, up 3% from 2015. Of this group, 43% spend an hour or more doing so, compared to 42% from 2015.[30]

Argentina

According to Argentine press, Cyber Monday was celebrated on November 11, 2014, and marked a tenfold growth in users taking advantage of online sales over the previous year.[31]

Canada
Cyber Monday came to Canada in 2008.[32] The National Post featured an article published on November 25, 2010, stating that the parity of the Canadian dollar with the US dollar caused many Canadian retailers to have Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales of their own. According to the article, an estimated 80% of Canadians were expected to participate in Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales.[33] Speculation has been made that with all major US television broadcasters—which are typically available to Canadians—emphasizing Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales for stores that are also doing business in Canada, Canadian retailers needed to mimic sales offerings in order to keep Canadian dollars from being spent in the US.[33]

By 2011, around 80% of online retailers in Canada were participating in Cyber Monday.[32]

Chile
Chile's first Cyber Monday took place on November 28, 2011. The companies participating in the event are participants in the Santiago Chamber of Commerce's Electronic Commerce Committee.[34] In 2015 the Chilean Cyber Monday had 85 stores participating, 390.000 transactions and US$83 million in sales. 36% of that was mobile.[35] In 2016 Cyber Monday will be held on November 7. 140 companies are registered as official partners.

Colombia
The first Cyber Monday in Colombia took place on November 26, 2012. It was organized by the Colombian Chamber of Electronic Commerce and sponsored by the Ministry of IT and Telecommunications.[36]

India
See also: E-commerce in India
India got its own version of the Cyber Monday (Great Online Shopping Festival) on December 12, 2012 when Google India partnered with many e-commerce companies including Flipkart, Snapdeal, HomeShop18, Indiatimes shopping, and MakeMyTrip. Google said that this was the first time an industry-wide initiative of this scale was undertaken.[37] In November 2015, Google announced that the event would not be repeated.[38]

Japan
Amazon.co.jp announced it registered as Cyber Monday with Japan Anniversary Association in 2012. Amazon.co.jp ran the Cyber Monday Seven Day Sale from Dec 10 through December 16, 2012.[39]

Belgium
In Belgium, Cyber Monday has gained popularity since 2016. Due to efforts off several major online shops launching large Cyber Monday campaigns, the average revenue during Cyber Monday has increased with 50% compared to the 2015 edition.[40] [41]

France
Inspired by the U.S. phenomenon, the term Cyber Monday was first used in France in 2008.[42]

Germany
Amazon.de announced that it brought Cyber Monday to Germany in 2010.[43] As of 2014, amazon.de continues to advertise Cyber Monday and has extended it to an 8-day period ("Cyber Monday week") beginning on the Monday before Thanksgiving.

Netherlands
In the Netherlands, the term Cyber Monday was first used in 2012. Since then, Dutch online retailers have taken advantage of Cyber Monday in promotional purposes, because it is perfectly timed before the celebration of Sinterklaas which is celebrated by buying gifts for each other in Netherlands.[44] Since 2012, the popularity of Cyber Monday has grown strongly every year in the Netherlands. In total there were 105 participating online stores during the Cyber Monday period of 2017. Last year, during Cyber Monday 2019 the total of shops increased with 40 to 189 shops in total [45]

Portugal
In Portugal, the term Cyber Monday was first used in 2009.[46]

Romania
In Romania, Cyber Monday is the first Monday after Black Friday, which is held by the biggest retailers one week before the US Black Friday.

Sweden
In Sweden Cyber Monday is growing rapidly and several of the largest online retailers regularly launch Cyber Monday campaigns.[47] Cyber Monday was first established on larger online retailers in Sweden 2010.[48]

United Kingdom
According to a 2009 The Guardian article, UK online retailers are now referring to "Cyber Monday" as the busiest internet shopping day of the year that commonly falls on the same day as the US Cyber Monday.[49]

Australia
Beginning at 7 pm AEDT on November 20 in 2012, Australian online retailers decided to hold a similar event for the first time, dubbed "Click Frenzy". Many websites immediately crashed, went offline, or had major server issues, including the Click Frenzy promotion website. David Jones, a major retailer, ran a competing sale dubbed 'Christmas Frenzy' on the same date.

New Zealand
Online retailer Belly Beyond held the first Cyber Monday Sale in New Zealand on November 29, 2010.[50] The sale lasted for five days, from Monday to Friday.
 

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And if I order multiple domains for a Feb 24 run and they're somehow dated April 4, and stay resident in my account through the next week, you do have a problem.

I have seen this before where an old unfilled order, or an order on a domain that was never _in_ TBR (like you typo'd the domain in the TBR order entry). There should clearly be filtering to remove domains not in the current TBR from the system, however, you can legitimately place orders for domains in future TBR's early, so to do it properly you'd have to check the next TBR as well. The fact that any bogus orders are listed in your account doesn't necessarily mean they are actually attempting to reg it during TBR (thus wasting an attempt). Both the front end and back end may have different filtering. But yes, it is annoying and should certainly be fixed. Even if its just to allow the account holder to remove old orders themselves. Sibername isn't the only one to have this issue.

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I understand it's never going to be perfect, but when multiple $20 orders are picked up in the 20's and 30's and my $50 order gets grabbed by another registrar in the 60's, you may have a problem.

Well - not necessarily. I can almost guarantee that Sibername gets more initial TBR bids on more domains than any other registrar. So if a registrar with very view total bids happens to have a $60 bid on that domain, it may very well be that was one of their top picks on their system, while on Sibername, it may be very well be one of the bottom picks. Not to mention there is that random factor going on. Prioritizing orders is going to be a tricky algorithm, some may initially prioritize middle tier orders because there's a higher degree of success, who knows.
 

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Come on, these were not typo or error domains, and were valid orders for the current TBR run, but with screwed up dates. I even made a screenshot at the time in case I ever needed it.


siber-error.jpg

Do those names ring a bell, and no, Siber never got either of them...


And I fully realize the randomness of the TBR, but you do understand that a $20 min bid by definition only has ONE total bid, right? So using your logic, they should be the lowest on the scale, but week after week I have many min-bids go in the 30's and none of my higher bids get picked up, only to see them snagged much later by another registrar in the 50's and 60's.

If something happens over and over, it's no longer random.

It's like there is a flaw in the Siber system, potentially that it uses the number of bids as the primary (only?) sort criteria, coupled with order date, so that a $1,000,000 opening bid on ABCD.ca might actually be placed behind an earlier $20 bid on MyButtisFat.ca, assuming that neither gets a second bid.

That actually makes a lot of sense, as I've been part of domain orders where someone puts in $100-$150 initial bid immediately when it drops, and then then someone ups it by $25 or whatever the increment is (leaving only two bidders), and Siber never seems to pick those up. But auctions with multiple, smaller, incremental bids that look like multiple bidders (even if the highest bid is only $100) have a greater potential of being won.

I'd love to look at their algorithm to see exactly what is going on, but I have the feeling it may have been written to give the "lots of bidders" auctions a boost (to get the most bidder action and potentially higher profits), but without a commensurate adjustment to push the 1-2 bidder auctions (at a higher opening price) ahead of the 1-2 bidder $20-$35 orders.
 

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DomainRecap said:
Come on, these were not typo or error domains, and were valid orders for the current TBR run, but with screwed up dates. I even made a screenshot at the time in case I ever needed it.

Of course everyone is going to have their own algorithm and they're going to try and maximize profit, not being fair. So I wouldn't call them all flawed just different strategies that are probably always a work in progress. They're probably testing new ideas on occasion which may also affect results. There are certainly a variety of factors though, several you haven't even mentioned yet. But I'm not going to discuss it just in case I am ever running my own TBR, so I'll keep my own thoughts about prioritization strategies top secret :)

The weird dates were clearly some sort of glitch, but I've honestly never seen that particular one before.
 

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rlm said:
The weird dates were clearly some sort of glitch, but I've honestly never seen that particular one before.

The point is that I haven't seen any of this stuff happen before WHC took over, so I'm thinking the WHC guys are tinkering with the "secret sauce" with some unfortunate results.
 

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Its quite possible, but I believe they kept the Sibername staff on to run all that stuff, so in theory any tinkering would be done by people who know what they're doing.
 
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