TBR Drop - Sep 20, 2023 (1.Viewing)

"Heads up! we're already getting 'threats' from lawyers about canadainfrastructurebank.ca ..."

From my point of view, that's your problem not mine. If someone orders it, we'll try to get it for them, but it might be $ down the drain ....
 
bmetal said:
"Heads up! we're already getting 'threats' from lawyers about canadainfrastructurebank.ca ..."

From my point of view, that's your problem not mine. If someone orders it, we'll try to get it for them, but it might be $ down the drain ....
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Don’t you just love lawyers? They threatening every registrar?
 
... so, I didn't expect to drop in on such an interesting thread. Thanks for the praise DomainRecap. And to "theinvestor" you can only be let in on an auction if there is one. Certainly some of the business models don't include an auction (for some/most domains) after the registration.

DomainRecap said:
BM actually changed their position to "open auctions" for anyone with a BM account, but I think they still need to manually add your ID.
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Since anyone can setup an account (for free), I'd call it "open auctions" for $200 domains. I spent some time looking at "fixing" the "manually add your BM account", but it got buried under other tasks.

This was an unusual year with CIRA finally releasing domains that had been held back due to complications with the two levels of domains issues. I can't complain, we had some remarkable successes, and yes, thank you MapleDots for playing with us.

I want to write a lecture about "zero sum" games (you can't win unless someone else loses), but I've either had too much or too little to drink. The Registrars know darn well they are shooting at a limited number of domains. WHC has way more threads than anyone else (I don't think CD is any bigger than BM, and I'm staring our renewal options in the face.) You folks probably know better than I do what happened to MyID. The only way to expand the game is for the folks selling retail (that's you guys/gals) to find new/more markets. That said, I've said it before, I'll say it again because it's frigging obvious, you folks should be forming cooperative teams where you can. Share info, decide ahead of time who will win an auction, move some of the profit into your own hands from the registrars.

DomainRecap ... "meat and potatoes". It takes a VERY LARGE number of "normal" domains to generate the same kind of returns that a single "twitter.ca" does... so IMHO it's hard to decide whether the potatoes are in the run-of-the-mill registrations, or the high value ones. It's something I face every week when I have to figure out what to put in the "launch map" for the first wave of registrations. You renew your domains here, and for that we are thankful... not everyone does.

-Tom
 
bmetal said:
Thanks for the praise DomainRecap.
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No problem, and I try to tell it like it is from the POV of an ethical TBR buyer who also needs to adapt to the changing marketplace. BM and WHC are my primary go-to TBR sources right now, but I also use CD and MyID as well.

bmetal said:
DomainRecap ... "meat and potatoes". It takes a VERY LARGE number of "normal" domains to generate the same kind of returns that a single "twitter.ca" does... so IMHO it's hard to decide whether the potatoes are in the run-of-the-mill registrations, or the high value ones.
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Oh I totally understand the economic allure of the premiums, and you should go for the $$$, but what about weeks where there are no premium domains? I feel that changing your TBR system so that all your eggs are in one premium basket (with everything being an open auction like at CD and WHC) can risk losing the 'meat and potatoes" crowd that helps pay the rent.

I think you think need both buyers to thrive, and your current system neatly does that, without undue reliance or hardship on either one.

bmetal said:
It's something I face every week when I have to figure out what to put in the "launch map" for the first wave of registrations. You renew your domains here, and for that we are thankful... not everyone does.
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I think my bold highlights have cleared up any question on which domains should be loaded first. :LOL:
 
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@bmetal

Yup, change is inevitable, investors need to work together.

I enjoyed reading your posts.

PS. I have already worked with another member where we mutually agreed he gets one domain and I get another.
We did not bid against each other but the auctions still generated a good income from other bidders for the drop catcher.
 
bmetal said:
That said, I've said it before, I'll say it again because it's frigging obvious, you folks should be forming cooperative teams where you can. Share info, decide ahead of time who will win an auction, move some of the profit into your own hands from the registrars.
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I was actually thinking that one of the reasons WHC might be going to "all open auctions, all the time" is because some people were already gaming their old system.

It's pretty easy if you want to, as prioritization is the key element and that is based on perceived demand, i.e. bids.

If multiple people (or one person with multiple accounts) bid a TBR preorder up to $50-$75 just to get a high placement on the server, and later not bid a penny more at 'auction", then it would definitely provide an impetus for WHC to change to open auctions and nip this trick in the bud.

Just a thought.
 
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bmetal said:
... so, I didn't expect to drop in on such an interesting thread. Thanks for the praise DomainRecap. And to "theinvestor" you can only be let in on an auction if there is one. Certainly some of the business models don't include an auction (for some/most domains) after the registration.
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@bmetal this was not directed at you. The registrars that do not have auction systems are the same ones that allow anyone to join behind the scenes. No one is leaving money on table.
 
I think WHC picked the wrong week to release their new "All Auctions, All the Time" format, as there are zero true premiums this week and with sorting still a problem, I think many learned TBR bidders are staying away til it's fixed.

I know it's tough to time this kind of development, but I sense a down week at WHC.
 
It seems to be a nice mix of registrars winning domains this week and from what I was looking at it was mostly WHC, BM and CD. No true premiums this week, but there were a few nice ones that got spread around the various TBR players.

And I will say that without the need to place last-minute bids at WHC, the TBR was a lot less stressful.
 
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DomainRecap said:
WHC might be going to "all open auctions, all the time" is because some people were already gaming their old system.
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I can't say this was a problem so far (please don't give anyone ideas), but this is one if the reasons we have at least one manual review of the priority queue. Even today some adjustments were made (despite the meh list) and we are considering some changes to the automated prioritization as well.

DomainRecap said:
I think WHC picked the wrong week to release their new "All Auctions, All the Time" format, as there are zero true premiums this week and with sorting still a problem, I think many learned TBR bidders are staying away til it's fixed.

I know it's tough to time this kind of development, but I sense a down week at WHC.
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It might be best for a test week this way to squash any last bugs that we might have missed :D
 
Thanks Frank. Looks like you folks had a good week and long list of domains to register...

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FM said:
Might as well say it here and now, I enjoy @bmetal 's contributions here as well. It's great to have competitors like them and @CatchDrop on dn.ca to have some discussions. Thanks to @MapleDots for providing this space for us.
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It's all a group effort, I hope everyone thinks of dn.ca as an inviting place to meet.
 
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My goodness, what is going on, myID is falling behind.
 
DomainRecap said:
And I will say that without the need to place last-minute bids at WHC, the TBR was a lot less stressful.
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For you maybe ;)I was watching more than normal. But yes, kidding aside, that was one of the intentions.
 
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My goodness, what is going on, myID is falling behind.
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I did refer to that earlier... thinking that folks here might have some idea what happened to them. 4 has been pretty normal since July, they had a high of ten on Aug 9th. They went from being dominant to also-ran. 10/13/14 in the first weeks of June and then dropped off to the current level.
 
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