How much would you tip? (1.Viewing)

Why do they have a second tip option when the tip is already charged?

When I add it up it only comes to $180 not $268…am I not reading it right?
Bill not making sense at all. 20% of $268 isn’t $21.82
But anyway in answer to your question… being in the industry I usually do 20% or more.

Policy is not law, so I would simply remove the SURCHARGE and tip what I normally would.

Personally I tip 15% but before taxes and I don't tip on $50 bottles of wine.

No way I am tipping on taxes, surcharges, or enormously overpriced wine.

Way back in Niagara falls the restaurants charge a tourist tax, I immediately remove it from the bill. It is something the restaurants charge and actually not a real tax, in fact I would argue that calling it a tax is borderline illegal.

LovelyLynda said:

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Why do they have a second tip option when the tip is already charged?

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First, that bill is likely completely bogus. But if I was actually presented with that bill, I would have paid zero, tipped zero, and called the cops to come press charges, then wrote a letter to the editor, posted the bill on every social media, and called out the blatantly crooked owner.

rlm said:

First, that bill is likely completely bogus

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Yeah that's a given but lets say the bill was accurate, would you tip on top of the Service Charge?

MapleDots said:

Yeah that's a given but lets say the bill was accurate, would you tip on top of the Service Charge?

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Not typically, no. But its possible there was some amazing service.

To be honest, I despise the tip culture we've been conned into. A tip should be optional, for exceptional service. You shouldn't get any tip for just doing your job. Too many shitty servers expect their tip and are only there at your table and suddenly friendly when presenting the bill. And they start asking you questions while being presented with the credit card machine to distract you on purpose. We're all being scammed if you ask me.

MapleDots said:

Way back in Niagara falls the restaurants charge a tourist tax, I immediately remove it from the bill. It is something the restaurants charge and actually not a real tax, in fact I would argue that calling it a tax is borderline illegal.

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This is still happening. I went earlier this year and was charged a 10% 'Destination Fee' at a restaurant. The waiter claimed it was mandatory and they couldn't remove it. Hopefully some of that goes to them, because no one at our table left a tip.

mcm said:

This is still happening. I went earlier this year and was charged a 10% 'Destination Fee' at a restaurant. The waiter claimed it was mandatory and they couldn't remove it. Hopefully some of that goes to them, because no one at our table left a tip.

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I challenged it and the restaurant was caught lying, I made the news that time and it was even more devious because they called it a Tourist Tax but the restaurant kept it. I told them it is illegal to call something a tax that is not.

And as far as not removing it goes, just get up and walk out, tell them they have the option to remove or you walk.
Additional service charges are not mandated to be paid by law.

MapleDots said:

I challenged it and the restaurant was caught lying, I made the news that time and it was even more devious because they called it a Tourist Tax but the restaurant kept it. I told them it is illegal to call something a tax that is not.

And as far as not removing it goes, just get up and walk out, tell them they have the option to remove or you walk.
Additional service charges are not mandated to be paid by law.

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Just be careful, if the menu clearly states the extra fees, then they can say you were warned and you chose to stay, therefore you pay.

rlm said:

Just be careful, if the menu clearly states the extra fees, then they can say you were warned and you chose to stay, therefore you pay.

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Again policy is not law and even a small footnote on the menu is not good enough, technically it has to be clearly displayed where you can see it before you order.

In my case it was a tiny line on the bottom of the menu and was not mentioned on the receipt at all, was basically called a tourist tax.

MapleDots said:

Again policy is not law and even a small footnote on the menu is not good enough, technically it has to be clearly displayed where you can see it before you order.

In my case it was a tiny line on the bottom of the menu and was not mentioned on the receipt at all, was basically called a tourist tax.

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I agree, and calling it a tax is fraudulent in my opinion too. But it is a buyer-beware world out there.

To make an accurate tip assessment we need more info…Like what did the sever Sarah look like ?

All kidding aside, I tip based on service and meal, but in this case I’d be like 20% but only on the food and drinks, not tipping on taxes. I’ve never seen a bill like this before.

* I hate that Tourist tax and how they just slipped it in.

Restaurants got heavy into running cons during COVID (when the average person was even dumber than usual) and now they think they can not only keep all the old cons going, but are emboldened to introduce even more scams to pad the ownership's bottom line.

And yes, the vast majority of these surcharges are not even sniffed by the staff and go straight to the owner's pocket. If it's not expressly called a "Tip", "Gratuity" or similar (i.e Fees, Taxes, etc,) then it's intended for the restaurant's coffers, not to reward the staff.

This is the major reason I don't go out as much, as there are too many fees, fake taxes and surcharges being put on your bill. At a certain point, the cost of the actual food becomes so exorbitant that it no longer makes financial sense.

For Christmas we always buy as many expensive items as we can cook (filet mignon, grain-fed turkey, lobsters, etc.) and all that money goes to what's on the table, not to fake fees. It's very satisfying to sit down and I literally slice that rack of tenderloin down til I can't eat any more.