That's what I thought, so anyone initiating a complaint can wait silently and register the domain when it drops.
Like I said, if people find out 'en mass' it may initiate an avalanche of complaints.
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That's what I thought, so anyone initiating a complaint can wait silently and register the domain when it drops.
Like I said, if people find out 'en mass' it may initiate an avalanche of complaints.
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So can any Tom, Dick or Harry launch an RIV at any time? Is there any kind of evidence needed to initiate one? Do you have any process in place to halt potential abuses of the RIV?
@SpencerFor a Canadian to have been involved in domains for decades, then suddenly gets an RIV makes you wonder. What was the basis for this?
The RIV process is initiated by CIRA based on our internal process and Canadian Presence Requirements. We have no team members named Tom, Dick or Harry but if we did they would follow our process. 
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We have no team members named Tom, Dick or Harry but if we did they would follow our process.
Obviously I meant this part of the RIV process:
Think you found a .CA domain that has registration information that is not Canadian? Let us know by contacting compliance@cira.ca.
That doesn't seem like an "internal process" to me and could easily be abused to target certain domains or registrants.
We occasionally get tips and they go through our regular process. I was alluding to the fact that only CIRA employees, following CPR rules, initiate the RIV process.
I don't know if you would call it abuse, I know of quite a few domains that are for sure in violation.
Would it be abuse if I reported them if the violation is real?
Mind you there is a possibility that I would then try and snafu the domain for myself so that could be considered abuse.
Would it be abuse if I reported them if the violation is real?
Mind you there is a possibility that I would then try and snafu the domain for myself so that could be considered abuse.
Anyone is welcome to flag a domain if they suspect it isn't following our rules. Whether it initiates a RIV is up to CIRA staff upon reviewing our rules.
rlm
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What are your rules?
Details here: Registrant Information Validation – CIRA
rlm
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I meant internally, what rules do you base a decision on for a RIV go/no-go?
q: Do you keep track of past RIVs on a specific registrant ID, and if that registrant ID has previously passed a RIV, you end it there?
q: if you are registered as a CIRA member and have validated your identity already, does that ensure you'll never be hit with a RIV?
q: Must a complainant provide some sort of evidence that is more than purely anecdotal to be taken seriously?
q: Do you keep track of past RIVs on a specific registrant ID, and if that registrant ID has previously passed a RIV, you end it there?
q: if you are registered as a CIRA member and have validated your identity already, does that ensure you'll never be hit with a RIV?
q: Must a complainant provide some sort of evidence that is more than purely anecdotal to be taken seriously?
I can't share our internal processes. I can say that we take RIV seriously and don't initiate one lightly.
rlm
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if you are registered as a CIRA member and have validated your identity already, does that ensure you'll never be hit with a RIV? I would hope that would offer some protection to a registrant from RIVs?
I would hope they would only do it once and then flag your account as legit, especially if you use the same email in all your registrations.
I use the same email for all my .ca's so they all show up in the same account when I login to CIRA
I would imagine once they know who you are they would not initiate a 2nd or even 3rd time.
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I'd assume they'd take that into account when deciding to initiate a RIV.
CIRA should exhaust all methods of contact. An email and phone call are practically free, and a letter in the mail costs a little over a buck. We pay enough in fees to cover this, especially given the rarity of RIVs.
Always pays to have a good relationship with the Registrar - Make sure they are Canadian Registrars!Like to thank Tom@bmetal for his assistance in getting this resolved.
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