TBR Drop - Jan 11, 2023 (1.Viewing)

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What happened to camo? How does a domain go into TBR like all the others, then mysteriously not get registered even though every registrar is going after it? Maybe @richard.schreier can explain? It should have been registered in that first 5 seconds, but it clearly didn't happen. I thought maybe one registrar would keep trying and get it, so I kept watching whois, but apparently got tagged out of the TBR right after the start, if not before TBR even started. I'm just thinking if I'm a registrar and I was prioritizing for that domain in particular, then you just got royally screwed by not being informed the domain is no longer in TBR before the start. Seems like grounds to nullify the whole session?
 
@rlm this periodically happens and usually (I have not done the research specifically for this last session and "camo.ca") where the TBR Registrar that "caught" the domain has some other issue that is only detected later when the domain is being fully assigned (the most common is an invalid contact for the registrant) in which case we cancel the "catch" and push the domain to the next TBR session. If you go to the CIRA site and browse to the TBR page and query for a domain that contains "camo" you will see it is in next weeks TBR.
 
richard.schreier said:
@rlm this periodically happens and usually (I have not done the research specifically for this last session and "camo.ca") where the TBR Registrar that "caught" the domain has some other issue that is only detected later when the domain is being fully assigned (the most common is an invalid contact for the registrant) in which case we cancel the "catch" and push the domain to the next TBR session. If you go to the CIRA site and browse to the TBR page and query for a domain that contains "camo" you will see it is in next weeks TBR.
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Yup and now that I know rlm really wants it.... let the competition begin :ROFLMAO:
 
richard.schreier said:
@rlm this periodically happens and usually (I have not done the research specifically for this last session and "camo.ca") where the TBR Registrar that "caught" the domain has some other issue that is only detected later when the domain is being fully assigned (the most common is an invalid contact for the registrant) in which case we cancel the "catch" and push the domain to the next TBR session. If you go to the CIRA site and browse to the TBR page and query for a domain that contains "camo" you will see it is in next weeks TBR.
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So in theory then, a registrar's order got in ahead of everyone else for that domain, and they should have won it. So I guess you'd say it was theirs to screw up, and they did. So some anomaly caused it to fail, which was presumably originating from the registrar end, such as not supplying a valid registrant to be assigned to the domain. So obviously CIRA doesn't give them any opportunity to correct the error and just pushes it to next week. It just seems unfathomable that a registrar could make a mistake like that considering domains almost always go into some generic holding registrant of the registrars, then after you've paid, they move it into your account and update the whois.

Out of curiosity, do registrars have to create a new temporary registrant for every single TBR domain? Or is it just a single registrant that all TBR domains go into temporarily?

As always, thanks for your feedback. You're the wizard that gives us that peek behind the curtain occasionally :)
 
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MapleDots said:
Yup and now that I know rlm really wants it.... let the competition begin :ROFLMAO:
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Well sure, I would certainly take it, and I did bid on it. It'll probably end up being the big seller at WHC simply because they didn't catch much else and thus a bunch of people have nothing else to bid on. They all came to the table hungry, but only scraps are being served.

But in all honesty, this is just my OCD kicking in when an anomaly occurs. As the tabloid says, Enquiring minds want to know...
 
@rlm having had the time to look at it now I can confirm the issue was as described earlier. There are many reasons a contact may be invalid the most obvious is if it has not been created yet. Registrars do not have to create a new temporary registrant for every single TBR domain, but they need at least one valid registrant and in some cases a registrar will use a generic TBR registrant for names they know are destined for auction (so the final registrant is not yet known) and will use the actual registrant where the domain is not subject to auction (often referred to as a single order backorder).

Another simple error is where the contact has been created but not fully processed. For example, the "registrant" must accept our most recent Registrant Agreement terms which is a flag in the registrant record. If the registrar has not set that specific attribute then the contact record cannot be used as a registrant contact.
 
Wow..after all that trouble to show up first and to miss on these petty things is ....... Well I didn't say it.
But I can understand why CIRA has to do it. Thanks for the clarification @richard.schreier Always learn new things from you, when you post.
 
richard.schreier said:
@rlm having had the time to look at it now I can confirm the issue was as described earlier. There are many reasons a contact may be invalid the most obvious is if it has not been created yet. Registrars do not have to create a new temporary registrant for every single TBR domain, but they need at least one valid registrant and in some cases a registrar will use a generic TBR registrant for names they know are destined for auction (so the final registrant is not yet known) and will use the actual registrant where the domain is not subject to auction (often referred to as a single order backorder).

Another simple error is where the contact has been created but not fully processed. For example, the "registrant" must accept our most recent Registrant Agreement terms which is a flag in the registrant record. If the registrar has not set that specific attribute then the contact record cannot be used as a registrant contact.
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Yep, that all makes sense. as always, thanks for the deets!
 
silentg said:
WHC is giving away the top domain picks for other drop catchers to target.
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Spot on, and although WHC thinks they're being smart by displaying all bids + prices, thus encouraging lots of user bidding activity, what they're really doing is providing a roadmap to their competitors on exactly which domains will yield the highest auction price.

I know we can all try to predict which premium domain will go higher at auction, but the WHC Hot List is an real-world stock ticker of actual user bids in progress, so it will be far more accurate than guesswork.

Danny Hunter seeing WHC's $4K+ pre-auction price on Canoe.ca and front-loading his TBR servers appropriately...

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MapleDots said:
That's why I said myID fetches less, I also don't bid there.
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It's actually the exact opposite and MyID prices are often significantly higher than WHC on similar domains.
 
DomainRecap said:
It's actually the exact opposite and MyID prices are often significantly higher than WHC on similar domains.
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Every time I see what their domains went for I say to myself I would have bid higher.
Even back when Pixel.ca sold, I would easily have gone up to 10k on that one.

Mind you I am super selective nowadays and it has to be something similar that hits all my buttons for me to keep hitting the enter button.
 
MapleDots said:
Every time I see what their domains went for I say to myself I would have bid higher.
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I'm talking in general and not specific cases, but remember, when Pixel sold for around $3K (I'm trying to remember the exact price) it was viewed as a high number. MyID wins that domain today with this increases in bidders and prevalent Gold Rush mentality, and it would sell for double or more.
 
DomainRecap said:
Spot on, and although WHC thinks they're being smart by displaying all bids + prices, thus encouraging lots of user bidding activity, what they're really doing is providing a roadmap to their competitors on exactly which domains will yield the highest auction price.

I know we can all try to predict which premium domain will go higher at auction, but the WHC Hot List is an real-world stock ticker of actual user bids in progress, so it will be far more accurate than guesswork.

Danny Hunter seeing WHC's $4K+ pre-auction price on Canoe.ca and front-loading his TBR servers appropriately...

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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to prioritize the top handful of domains. The middle of the pack is sometimes where the surprises pop up out of nowhere.
 
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